٭ نامه سوم:
دوست عزيز جناب آرش ايزدی
ممنون از ايميلتان. همانگونه که قبلا هم گفته ام من هر دو کناب را از آدرسی که داده بوديد Download کرده و با دقت خوانده ام ولی متاسفانه جوابی برای سوالات زير در آن پيدا نکردم:
1- آيا هيچگونه مدرک قابل تاييدی (توسط منابع بی طرف البته )برای ادعای راييل در ملاقات با موجودات فرازمينی وجود دارد با نه؟

2-در کتب راييل ادعا شده که بشريت توسط الوهيم 25000 سال قبل ايجاد شده والوهيم هم توسط انسانهای ديگری که هيچ نشانی ازشان نسیت بوجود آمدند و احتمالا آنها هم توسط انسانهای دیگر . آیا هیچ نقطه شروعی برای این دور تسلسل وجود دارد؟ و در صورت وجود خالق اولین انسانها و سیارات و کرات آسمانی چه کسی است ؟

3- در حالیکه راییل ادعای می کند الوهیم فرستندگان موسی و عیسی و محمد و سایر پیامبرانند و بخش عمده ای از کتاب اول او اختصاص به تفسیر قسمت هایی از تورات و انجیل یافته چگونه راییل اختلافات موجود بین این ادیان را توجیه می کند؟ اختلافات با تعلیم راییل را چطور؟

اين بار سومی است که من اين سوالات را از شما و آقای دکتر مهران سام می پرسم ولی جوابی دريافت نمی کنم. اميدوارم که اينبار خواهش من منجر به نتيجه ای بشود
با تشکر
نگارنده وبلاگ بابا و دخترش
نوشته شده در ساعت 10:51 PM توسط baba

٭
From: "Aresh Izadi" | This is Spam | Add to Address Book
To: "Baba and ..."
Subject: Re: Congratulations!
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 17:53:12 -0500




http://www.rael.org/int/farsi/Ketabe-rael.htm

Please tell me if you can open the Farsi book.

Thanks

Best regards,
Aresh

نوشته شده در ساعت 10:46 PM توسط baba

٭ جواب نامه دوم از آرش ايزدی
From: "Aresh Izadi"
To: "Baba and ..."
Subject: Re: Congratulations!
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 18:58:00 -0500




I am so sorry if you feel that way.
Please read Rael's book till you get your answer.
He also has a book called " Let's welcome our
fathers from space" that has the answers of your
questions as well. That book is not available in Farsi yet.

Best regards,
Aresh

نوشته شده در ساعت 10:45 PM توسط baba

٭ نامه دوم
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 14:23:58 +1100 (EST)
From: "Baba and ..." | This is Spam | Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: Congratulations!
To: "Mehran Raeli"
CC: bande_h@yahoo.com.au




This email is written in Persian ( using unicode) , if you have any problem to read it in farsi change the encoding of your browser to UNICODE or check this address:

http://testman3.blogspot.com/2002_12_29_testman3_archive.html#86812984

دوست عزيزجناب دکتر مهران سام



سلام

ايميل شما را دريافت کردم . از بابت اطلاعات ارسالی و لينک به نسخه فارسی کتب راييل متشکرم. من مدتی بود که در انتظار فرصتی برای خواندن آنها بودم برای همين بعد از دريافت ایميل شما بلافاصله شروع به خواندن آنها کردم و بايد بگوييم که با وجود عجله ای که برای خواندن آن دو کتاب داشتم آنها را بسيار دقيق خواندم ولی متاسفانه بعد از
خواندن آنها از وجود حقيقت جديدی در آنها مأيوس شدم! من تا کنون رمانهای علمی تخيلی زيادی را خوانده ام اما در مقام مقايسه بايد بگويم که سست ترين آنها در برابر دو کتاب راييل از استحکام و انسجام بيشتری برخوردار است. قصد من تمسخر يا توهين نيست بلکه حقيقتا انتظار من از مذهبی که ادعای "مذهب مذاهب" بودن را دارد و توانسته توجه تعدادی دانشمند و افراد تحصيل کرده رو هم به خود جلب کند اين بود که به جای داستان پردازی و قصه گويی از روش های درست علمی برای توجيه عقايد خود استفاده کند. در هر حال من هنوز هم پاسخ سوالاتم را نگرفته ام برای همين يکبار ديگر آنها را اينجا می آورم و اميدوارم که اينبار جوابهای منطقيی برای آنها دريافت کنم.
1- آيا هيچگونه مدرک قابل تاييدی (توسط منابع بی طرف البته )برای ادعای راييل در ملاقات با موجودات فرازمينی وجود دارد با نه؟

2-در کتب راييل ادعا شده که بشريت توسط الوهيم 25000 سال قبل ايجاد شده والوهيم هم توسط انسانهای ديگری که هيچ نشانی ازشان نسیت بوجود آمدند و احتمالا آنها هم توسط انسانهای دیگر . آیا هیچ نقطه شروعی برای این دور تسلسل وجود دارد؟ و در صورت وجود خالق اولین انسانها و سیارات و کرات آسمانی چه کسی است ؟

3- در حالیکه راییل ادعای می کند الوهیم فرستندگان موسی و عیسی و محمد و سایر پیامبرانند و بخش عمده ای از کتاب اول او اختصاص به تفسیر قسمت هایی از تورات و انجیل یافته چگونه راییل اختلافات موجود بین این ادیان را توجیه می کند؟ اختلافات با تعلیم راییل را چطور؟

باتشکر
نگارنده وبلاگ بابا و دخترش

نوشته شده در ساعت 10:43 PM توسط baba

٭ جواب نامه اول از آرش ايزدی
From: "Aresh Izadi" | This is Spam | Add to Address Book
To: "Baba and ..." , iranians@rael.org
CC: iran-info@rael.org
Subject: Re: Congratulations!
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:29:08 -0500




Thank you so much.

Dr. Mehran saam will be away from Jan1 to Jan 10 for a cloning conference in USA.

Please kindly do not put any discussion on the website
till you get a chance to talk to Dr. Mehran Saam directly and personally. I appreciate your understanding.

Have you ever read any of Rael's book?

Best regards and happy holidays

Aresh

نوشته شده در ساعت 10:40 PM توسط baba

٭ جواب نامه اول از دکتر مهران سام
From: "Mehran Raeli" | This is Spam | Add to Address Book
To: "Baba and ..."
Subject: Re: Congratulations!
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:41:52 -0500




Salam Baba,

thank you for your email. Here is some general answers and info about Rael's book. Please help us spread this message. If you have any more questions please let us know.

Mehran


ettela'ate bishtar zamime ast wa ketabe Rael dar en site mojod ast:

http://www.rael.org/int/farsi/Ketabe-rael.htm

lotfan dar pakhshe en payam dar Iran komak konid.

ba doosti
Mehran

Extraterrestrials created life on earth!
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Doostane aziz dar Iran,

aya shoma raeli-ha dar Iran ra mishenasid?

ma darkhasti az shoma darim. lotfan ettela' dahid ke aya
metavanid be ma komak konid.

ensanhaye korate digar baraye mardom zamin payame mohemmi
ferestade-and. en payam dar 85 keshvar donya dar hale pakhsh ast. En payam mardomi ast wa mardom an ra dar bayn khod pakhsh mikonand.

lotfan dar pakhsh en payam beyne mardome Iran komak konyd.
nabayad begozarim ke keshvare Iran az keshvarhaye digar baz 'aqab beoftad. en payam tolani ast wa ettela'ate bishtar dar website mojood mibashad: http://www.rael.org

kholaseye payame ELOHIM be RAEL:

ELOHIM esme ensanhaye korat digar ast keh az nazare 'elmi az ma hezarha sal jelotar hastand wa tamame mojodat zende wa ensanha dar koreye zamin ra ba muhandesye jhenetik khalq kardand. anha payambarane gozashte (az jomle Mosa, 'esa, wa mohammad) ra baraye hedayat bashariyyat ferestadand. mardome gozashte fekr kardand ke ELOHIM khoda hastand che ra ke darke 'elmi az sayyare-haye digar wa mohandesi jenetik nadashtand.

ELOHIM muntazer bodand ta 'elm wa teknolojhee dar zamin pishraft konad ta mardom safar be korate digar wa muhandesye jhenetik ra dark konand.
ELOHIM mikhahand ke be zodi be zamin bargardand! ma RAELiha wa kasani ke dar pakhshe in payam komak mikonand dar hale amade sazi yek sifarat rasmi baraye ELOHIM hastim.

ELOHIM khod in payame mardomi ra dar farance dar sal 1973 miladi baraye ma ferestadand. ELOHIM ba RAEL tamas gereftand wa en payam ra be zabane farance dar ekhtiyare oo gozashtand wa az oo khastand ke anra dar tamame keshvar-ha pakhsh konad.

baraye ettela'ate bishtar dar bareye en payame mohem be website harkate raelian rojo' konid: http://www.rael.org

lotfan ketabe RAEL ra ke shamele payame kamele ELOHIM mibashad motale'e konid wa be digaran ettela' dahid.

muntazere javabe shoma,
ba ehteram

tamas ba ma: iran-info@rael.org

A message from extraterrestrials!
http://www.rael.org

=====================

doostane aziz,

en email javab be chand so'al ast dar bareye payame Elohim be
Rael wa harkate Raelian (http://www.rael.org). Lotfan be digaran
ham ettela' dahid.



javab-ha:

1. Elohim:

Elohim yek loghate 'ebri ast ke dar torat amade wa ma'niye an
"anha ke az aseman miayand" ast! en loghat jam' ast wa
mofrad an Eloha mibashad. har do loghat dar torat amade ama har
do be eshtebah be khoda ya (God) tarjome shode. Elohim manande
ma ensan hastand amma az nazare elmi pishrafte-taran.

khoda ya Allah haman yahweh (loghate 'ebri dar torat) ast. oo
rahbare Elohim ast wa aafarinesh ensan dar koreye zamin ra edare
karde ast. Yahweh payambarane gozashte ra baraye hedayate
bashariyat ferestad. Yahweh dar sale 1973 ba Rael tamas gereft
baraye pakhshe payame ashekar sazi wa amade sazi koreye zamin wa
sakhtane yek sifarat, che ra ke Elohim mikhahand be zamin
bargardand wa payam-barane gozashte ra ba khod biyavarand. en
payambaran ba mohandesye jenetik dobare khalq shode-and wa dar
koreye Elohim zendegi mikonand.

2. che kasi Elohim ra khalq kard:

Elohim khod tavasote ensanhaye pishrafte qabl az khodeshan khalq
shodand, wa khaleqine Elohim niz khod tavasote ensanhye pishrafte
qabl-tar az khodeshan khalq shode bodand, wa en amr ta binahayat
be gozashte bar migardad wa hich aghazi nadarad wa hich payani
ham nakhahad dasht. ensanha hamishe dar jahan wojod dashtand wa
hamishe wojod khahand dasht. faqat waqti az nazare elmi pishraft
kardand, be sayyare-haye digar miravand wa dobare zendegi khalq
mikonand. Ensane koreye zamin niz be sayyarehaye digar khahad
raft wa dobare zendegi wa ensan khalq khahad kard.

3. Che-ra ma ra khalq kardand:

Elohim ma ra khalq kardand ta seyre takamole bashariyyat dar
jahan edame peyda konad. hadaf az zendegi pishraft, shadi wa
shekofa shodan ast. ma mesle farzandane Elohim mibashim ke baraye
roshd wa fahme jahan be wojod amade-im. Elohim ma ra manande
farzandane khod doost.

4. Rael:

Rael dar December 1973 dar jonobe farance payame Elohim ra
daryaft kard. oo az an moqe' ta konon en payam ra ba komake
Raelian dar hameye keshvarha pakhsh mikonad. Rael payam-bare
mazhabe Raelian wa payam-bare Elohim dar zamin ast. ba'ese
khoshhali wa eftekhare mast ke Rael hanoz zende ast wa mazhabe
Raelian ra be pish mibarad. Rael dar Canada zendegi mikonad.

5. che tor ba Rael tamas gerefte-shod:

dar 13 dec. 1973, Rael be mahale kare khod miraft ke tasmim
migirad baraye havaye azad be mahale atashfeshane khamosh dar
Clermond-Ferrand farance dar haman nazdiki-ha beravad. dar anja
tanha bod ke nore cheshmak zan qermez dar abrha mibinad bedone
hich seda wa ba'd motevajeh mishavad ke yek safineye faza'i ast
ke be oo nazdik mishavad wa dar faseleye 10 metri motevaqef shode
wa shakhsi kochak andam az an karej mishavad.
ba ham shore' be sohbat mikonand be farancavi. en shakhs dar
waqe' Yahweh (Allah) ast ke rahbare sayyareye Elohim mibashad.
Yahweh ba Rael 6 roze motevali haman sa'at dar haman mahal har
roz be modate yek sa'at molaqat kard wa Yahweh en payame kamel ra
be Rael dad ke be sorate ketabi be Farance wa sepas digar zaban-
ha beyne mardom pakhsh konad.

6. payame Elohim be Rael:

Elohim hamishe payame khod ra faghat be yek nafar payam-avar
midahand ta motevvajeh shavand ke che kasani ba ghodrate dark
khod wa 'alagheye khod be haghighat be oo komak mikonand.
Muhammad ham goft ke esbat wa mo'jezeye man payame man ast. en
mozo' dar bareye Rael ham sedq mikonad. agar shoma payame Elohim
ra motale'e konid mibinid ke payame be ghadri foqol-ade wa
motabeghe elm wa mantegh mibashad ke nemitavanad be sadegi az
tariq takhayyol bashad.


7. tamas ba Elohim:

Elohim faqat ba Rael (payam-bareshan) tamase mostaqim darand. dar
sale 1973 wa 1975 be tore shakhsi ba Rael tamas gereftand wa az
an moqe' ta be hal ham az tariq telepaty tamas darand haman tor
ke ba payam-baran digar tamas dashtand. ma ham mitavanim ba
Elohim ba telepaty
tamas dashte bashim wa 'eshq khod ra baraye anha beferestim. anha
ham be ehsasate ma pasokh midahand wa wojode anha ra hes khahim
kard. anha ma ra dar zendegi hedayat mikonand. en ertebat ba'es
mishavad ke dar zendegi shad-tar bashim, masa'el rahat-tar hal
mishavand wa zendegi hadaf peyda mikonad.

8. mazhab:

mazhab ya'ni rah wa raveshe zendegi. chon raelian yek dide jadid
wa ravesh taze baraye zendegi er'ae midahad ke baraye gharne 21
wa hezareye sevvome bashariyyat khahad bod, en yek mazhab ast.
dar zemn mazhabe raelian haghighate tamame mazaheb gozashte ra be
tarigh elmi wa ba dide jadid bazgo mikonad wa dar natije
khorafate mazaheb gozashte ra efsha mikonad.

9. mazaheb digar:

ma be tamame mazaheb gozashte ehteram migozarim wa midanim ke
tamame payambarane bar hagh az taraf Elohim ferestade shode
bodand. ama darke elmi mardome gozashte baraye shenakhte
khaleghine khod kafi nabod.

10. binahayat dar zaman wa makan:

donya ebteda wa enteha nadarad balke binahayat ast. hich aghaz wa
entehaye ham vojod nadarad. ensan hamishe dar jahan vojod dashte
wa vaqti ke az nazare elmi pishraft mikonad be korate digar
miravad wa zendegi ra dobare khalq mikonad.

11. dorane ashekari:

dorane ashekari ya akhare zaman ham aknon ast be en ma'ni ke
waqe'iyaat az nazare elmi ashekar mishavad ba komake payame
ashekar konandeye Elohim ke dar sale 1973 be Rael dade shod.
harkate Raelian dar 85 keshvare jahan ta'sis shode ast wa daftare
asli an dar suisse mibashad.

12. Mahdi-e Mo'ood:

Rael baraye mosalmanan Mahdi-e Mo'ood ast wa baraye Boda'iha
bodaye zaman wa baraye masihiha wa yahodiyan masih zaman ast. oo
ba komake Raelian dar hale faraaham kardane vorode Elohim be
zamin ast ta payam-barane mazaheb gozashte niz be zamin
bargardand. dar pakhshe en payam dar Iran ehtiyat konid. Yahweh
komake shoma khahad bod.

13. pAdAsh:

kasani ke be Rael komak mikonand dobare khalq mishavand wa padash
khahand yaft. amma aksare mardom ke zendegi ma'moli dashtand,
digar khalq nemishavand wa faqat hamin yek bar ra zendegi
mikonand. az khaak be vojod amadand wa be khaak bar migardand.

14. nezaame akhlaqi Raelian:

a) ehteram be badane khod
b) ehteram be shakhsiyyate khod
c) ehteram be digaran
d) ehterame motlagh be zendegi ensan, mojazate marg bayad az beyn
beravad
e) solhe jahani, arteshha bayad az beyn beravand
...



15. shavahed:

Muhammad dar shabe me'raj ba asbe alboraq ke yek safineye faza'i
bod be sayareye Elohim safar kard wa Allah (Yahweh) wa
payambarane gozashte ra molaqat kard. dar Qoran wa digar ketab-
haye mazhabi dalayele ziyade digar dar esbate payame Rael wojod
darad. 1% az mardome zamin safinehaye faza'i (UFO) dide'and wa
bishtar ham khahad shod ta zehne mardom amadegi pazireshe payame
Rael ra dashte bashand. elme jenetik dar hale kelon (clone)
kardan mojodate zende ast wa be zodi zendegi dar azemayeshgah
khalq khahad shod.
shavahede elmi baraye esbate haqiqate payame Rael har roz bishtar
mishavad.

16. Bidariye zehn:

Elohim be Rael yek raveshe bidariye zehn wa agahi amokhtand ke
barayi harmony wa shadi dar zendegi rozmarre mofid ast wa qovaye
zehni wa hesi ra taqviyat mibakhshad. Har roz ba en tamrin shoma
az roheyye'e shad wa mosbat bar khordar khahid shod. ma baraye
lezzat bordan, shekofa shodan wa shad bodan khalq shodeim!

17. baraye jadidtarin kashfiyyate elmi be gorohe internete
rael-science-select molhagh shavid:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rael-science-select



ettela'at kamel dar ketabe Rael mojod mibashad. dar website ham
ettela'ate bishtar mojod ast, be khosos dar site englisi:
http://www.rael.org

ma az shoma mikhahim ke lotfan en payam ra dar beyne dostan,
ashenayan wa digar Iranian pakhsh konid. Payame Elohim ke dar
sale 1973 be Rael dade shod be zabane farsi niz mojod ast wa agar
doost darid, en ketab ra baraye shoma miferestim ta ba kolle en
payam ashena shavid. lotfan dar pakhshe en payam dar Iran be ma
komak konid.

agar ba barname rizi betavanid be Europe, Japan ya Canada safar
konid dar seminar-ha mitavanid sherkat konid ke foqhol'ade khahad
bod wa Rael ra ham molaghat khahid kard....

omidvarim ke en payame ayande-saz bishtar dar beyne mardome Iran
pakhsh shavad wa Irani-haye ziyadi dar beyne kasani bashand ke be
Elohim khosh-amad migoyand. ehsase shadi wa sha'afe ziyadi beyne
Raeliani ast ke dar en rah be Rael komak mikonand.

ba ehteram wa doosti

Mehran Raeli
email: mehran@attbi.com


Extraterrestrials created life on Earth!
http://www.rael.org


baraye sohbat dar bareye payame Elohim 5 nokte mohem ast wa
kholaseye ast az payam-ha, dar tamas-haye avval ba alaghemandan
mitavanid az en 5 nokte estefade konid:

1. Allah rahbare Elohim ast... Elohim (dar Torat) yani anha ke az
aseman miayand wa be eshtebah khoda tarjome shode. Elohim mesle ma
ensan hastand, dar korate digar zendegi
mikonand wa az nazare 'elmi az ma jelotarand.

2. Elohim zendegi wa ensan-ha ra dar koreye zamin be tarighe elmi
ba mohandesiye jhenetik khalgh karde'and

3. Elohim payam-barane gozashte mesle mosa, budha, esa wa
muhammad ra baraye hedayate wa pishrafte bashariyyat ferestadand

4. dar sale 1946 dar 6 August (oot) hengame enfejare bombe atom
dar Hiroshima, ma varede dorane ashekari shodim wa Elohim
motevajjeh shodand ke elme basharriyat anghadr pishraft karde ke
momken ast ma khod ra nabod konim. banabarin tasmim gereftand ke
payambare khod Rael ra baraye ashekari vojode khod wa ashekari
haghighat beferestand.

5. Elohim az Rael khastand ke ba komake Raelian sefarati baraye
anha tahiye konad ta Elohim rasman be zamin bargardand.



Extraterrestrials created life on earth!
http://www.rael.org

نوشته شده در ساعت 10:39 PM توسط baba

٭ نامه اول:
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:57:40 +1100 (EST)
From: "Baba and ..."
Subject: Congratulations!
To: iranians@rael.org
CC: iran-info@rael.org


Dear Dr Mehran Saam and Mr. Arash Izadi



I’d like to congratulate you and Raelian group for your recent success in cloning technology. As a scientist, I can not fully believe any news until enough evidences provided. I know that many people in the world, like me, are awaiting your detail of cloning technology. Until that time I would like to use the time and collect some more information about your religion and faith. I have read your web site since 2 years ago but there are several unanswered questions for me. So I will appreciate it if you answer these questions for the first stage:



1- Rael claims that he had (a) contact(s) with E.T., is there any evidence for that like photos, recorded tape, any other person that saw that E.T?



2- He says that man kind are created with Alohim 25000 years ago using cloning, but who created Alohim? When?



3- He says all the major religions in the world like Islam and Christianity and … are created by Alohim so why there is a lot of difference between these religions?



I have a Persian web site (http://bandeh.blogspot.com) and I wrote an article about Raelian and cloning in that (December 29, 2002) and I am planing to put our discussion in that as well. I think it can help people who read it to get good information about your group but if you for any reason do not agree with that please inform me. We can write our emails in Farsi ( using Unicode ) if you system support it.



Best regards,

BABA VA DOKHTARESH



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